MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team league

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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby mvfcfan » April 7th, 2017, 1:39 pm

goramblers2011 wrote:What would Arch Madness look like with 11 teams? Only top 10 make it? 10 vs 11 Wednesday PIG just to make it to the Thursday PIGs?


Thursday
8 vs 9
7 vs 10
6 vs 11

Friday
1 vs 8/9
4 vs 5
2 vs 7/10
3 vs 6/11

Saturday
Semifinals

Sunday
Championship Game
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Postby tribecalledquest » April 7th, 2017, 1:40 pm

Since 2000: Murray State Five NCAA bids and two NIT. Valparaiso five NCAA bids and four NIT.

Other than Belmont who else with that somewhat recent tradition and success is out there?
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby squirrel » April 7th, 2017, 1:40 pm

goramblers2011 wrote:What would Arch Madness look like with 11 teams? Only top 10 make it? 10 vs 11 Wednesday PIG just to make it to the Thursday PIGs?


6 teams play down to 3 (in other words 3 play-in games) and join the other 5 in the quarters.

MVC did a good job out outlining it above, but you'd probably consider adopting "re-seeding" which can get messy in a day-by-day tourney. Some leagues pair 10/11, 8/9, and 6,7 against one another, that way the top seed doesn't also get the best play-in winner.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby Svoboda » April 7th, 2017, 1:42 pm

Does this mean Murray State is also moving their football to the MVFC because I don't think the Ohio Valley would let them keep that there?
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby Redhawk » April 7th, 2017, 1:44 pm

uniftw wrote:Evansville dominated a smaller conference prior to moving MVC.


That's what scares me about Valpo. Evansville had even better fan base, facilities and success
coming into the Valley than Valpo does now. The Purple Aces have played 1 game in the NCAA tourney
in 24 years in the Valley!
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby squirrel » April 7th, 2017, 1:45 pm

tribecalledquest wrote:Since 2000: Murray State Five NCAA bids and two NIT. Valparaiso five NCAA bids and four NIT.

Other than Belmont who else with that somewhat recent tradition and success is out there?


In terms of "recent" success, meaning the last two years, only Valpo, but they showed how awful they were without Peters at the end of this season. They are likely set to become an anvil pretty quickly.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby uniftw » April 7th, 2017, 1:45 pm

BirdsEyeView wrote:Somebody please explain why Valpo is a good get for this conference?

Football stinks
Small school
Basketball lost the best player they've ever had and their coach to Vandy

Can anyone look at them and say, they potentially could be the next Wichita due to their commitment in athletics?

MVU covered what I would have said.

Valpo is Drake, but successful. Depending your outlook that's good and bad. Football doesn't matter - just like Drake. Valpo is the least funded non-HBCU football program in the county. That has no impact. If you're worried about football where is your worry over Murray State - they are a fully funded 63 scholarship football program. The sustainability of Valpo is a concern. They very easily can become the next Evansville.


I'm not anti-Murray State, but I wouldn't push them as a first pick. I'm okay with them. Their basketball, and entire budget, is on the smaller side (especially entire budget) but they've shown sustained success, ability to attract up and coming coaches, and talent. Hopefully being MVC can help them keep coaches around longer.

I would assume if a place like Valpo or Murray State is invited there will be a stipulation about facility improvements, maybe funding improvements, etc...

There is no "next Wichita". It's why adding to get to 11 or 12 with strong teams being the addition, is the best option if we are going to add teams.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby uniftw » April 7th, 2017, 1:46 pm

Svoboda wrote:Does this mean Murray State is also moving their football to the MVFC because I don't think the Ohio Valley would let them keep that there?

I would guess they stay in the OVC. It allows the OVC 8 conference games, which is perfect for a true champion and an 11 game schedule.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby squirrel » April 7th, 2017, 1:46 pm

Redhawk wrote:
uniftw wrote:Evansville dominated a smaller conference prior to moving MVC.


That's what scares me about Valpo. Evansville had even better fan base, facilities and success
coming into the Valley than Valpo does now. The Purple Aces have played 1 game in the NCAA tourney
in 24 years in the Valley!


No. They dominated a league that included Notre Dame, Xavier, Dayton, St. Louis, Marquette, LaSalle and Loyola (4 NCAAs in the 1980's), among others.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby havoc » April 7th, 2017, 1:47 pm

uniftw wrote:
chitown fanatic wrote:or does going to 11 really mean that Evansville is headed to Horizon????(so back to 10)

There have been strong rumors the Horizon was looking at "expanding".

Hypothetically, if Valpo does move to the MVC, UE would be a home run for the Horizon.

They are Valpo, but with better facilities....and much less success. That could change in the Horizon though. Evansville dominated a smaller conference prior to moving MVC.


I would think Valpo being in the Horizon league would have one of the reason UE would be attracted to the league, and vice versa. Very similar schools drawing from very similar student bases.
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