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Re: Is Creighton University Playing Their Way Onto The Bubbl

PostPosted: February 8th, 2012, 11:43 am
by Ricardo del Rio
My head is swimming. I guess my four college degrees went to waste.

I have actually seen the Blue Birds play live. I have watched them on TV several times.

If the Blue Birds do not make the Big Dance, I am returning the degrees to Texas A&M and Wichita State.

There Double Jay. You should be in shock (pun intended). I said something nice about the Blue Birds again.

Re: Is Creighton University Playing Their Way Onto The Bubbl

PostPosted: February 8th, 2012, 12:05 pm
by Kyle
FWIW, here is the resume that got UNI a #9 seed in 2010.

28-4 (15-3)
ESPN/USA Today: #24
AP: #26
RPI: 17
SOS: 112
MVC Regular Season and Tournament Champs

And here is CU's current resume (poll ranking likely to drop 4-5 spots after EU loss).

21-4 (11-3)
ESPN/USA Today: #17
AP: #15
RPI: 16
SOS: 92

Re: Is Creighton University Playing Their Way Onto The Bubbl

PostPosted: February 8th, 2012, 12:28 pm
by shocktheheart
Kyle wrote:FWIW, here is the resume that got UNI a #9 seed in 2010.

28-4 (15-3)
ESPN/USA Today: #24
AP: #26
RPI: 17
SOS: 112
MVC Regular Season and Tournament Champs

And here is CU's current resume (poll ranking likely to drop 4-5 spots after EU loss).

21-4 (11-3)
ESPN/USA Today: #17
AP: #15
RPI: 16
SOS: 92



I remember watching that selection when WSU was a fringe bubble team and when UNI came up as a #9 seed, I knew WSU had no shot as an at large that year. UNI was not seeded well that year by the committee and KU found that out first hand.

Re: Is Creighton University Playing Their Way Onto The Bubbl

PostPosted: February 8th, 2012, 1:38 pm
by jaybydna
Kyle wrote:FWIW, here is the resume that got UNI a #9 seed in 2010.

28-4 (15-3)
ESPN/USA Today: #24
AP: #26
RPI: 17
SOS: 112
MVC Regular Season and Tournament Champs

And here is CU's current resume (poll ranking likely to drop 4-5 spots after EU loss).

21-4 (11-3)
ESPN/USA Today: #17
AP: #15
RPI: 16
SOS: 92


What is the difference in the nitty gritty report? CU has a 8-3 road record, 3-1 versus top 50, 5-3 versus top 100. What was UNI back then (I honestly don't know).

Also, the bubble this year is VERY weak. Lunardi basically says there are 16 teams within a fraction of each other. CU is likely better than all 16.

Re: Is Creighton University Playing Their Way Onto The Bubbl

PostPosted: February 8th, 2012, 1:56 pm
by DoubleJayAlum
Ricardo del Rio wrote:My head is swimming. I guess my four college degrees went to waste.

I have actually seen the Blue Birds play live. I have watched them on TV several times.

If the Blue Birds do not make the Big Dance, I am returning the degrees to Texas A&M and Wichita State.

There Double Jay. You should be in shock (pun intended). I said something nice about the Blue Birds again.

I am in shock!

What's with all the pretty colors?

Re: Is Creighton University Playing Their Way Onto The Bubbl

PostPosted: February 8th, 2012, 2:27 pm
by Kyle
jaybydna wrote:What is the difference in the nitty gritty report? CU has a 8-3 road record, 3-1 versus top 50, 5-3 versus top 100. What was UNI back then (I honestly don't know).

Also, the bubble this year is VERY weak. Lunardi basically says there are 16 teams within a fraction of each other. CU is likely better than all 16.


No questions this is a weaker field than in 2009-2010. Here are the 09-10 UNI numbers.

Road Record: 9-3
vs RPI top 50: 4-1
vs RPI top 100: 10-1

Bad losses: 2 (vs 212 DePaul and vs 250 EU)

Re: Is Creighton University Playing Their Way Onto The Bubbl

PostPosted: February 8th, 2012, 2:55 pm
by Khan4Cats
jaybydna wrote:What is the difference in the nitty gritty report? CU has a 8-3 road record, 3-1 versus top 50, 5-3 versus top 100. What was UNI back then (I honestly don't know).

Also, the bubble this year is VERY weak. Lunardi basically says there are 16 teams within a fraction of each other. CU is likely better than all 16.


If there is any glaring part on that resume, it is the 8 games vs the top 100 with only 2 more on their schedule. I still think they are fine, but I might agree with those that are fretting over the potential for an iffy seed.

Re: Is Creighton University Playing Their Way Onto The Bubbl

PostPosted: February 8th, 2012, 3:54 pm
by MSUDuo
3 losses would put WSU in a real pickle. Lose to MSU, Davidson, and the QF in STL and they'd be in real terrible

I think CU is fine as most have them at a 4-6 seed right now and some of the teams at a 11-12 seeds are absolutely pathetic of being mentioned for an at-large

Re: Is Creighton University Playing Their Way Onto The Bubbl

PostPosted: February 8th, 2012, 4:01 pm
by Wufan
MSUDuo wrote:3 losses would put WSU in a real pickle. Lose to MSU, Davidson, and the QF in STL and they'd be in real terrible


While I don't necessarily disagree with the above, I don't quite see the relevance to this discussion. On the plus side of your scenerio, with only one more conference loss (and a win against Creighton) WSU would be the outright Conference Champions. Since we aren't the Bears, I'd say that gives us a pretty strong chance of getting in.

Also of note, I'm more worried about @ CU, UNI at home, @ Davidson and @ Ill St than the Bears in Koch Arena. If Simons is back then I'm more worried about Drake as well. Plus, I'd put the Quarters, Semis, and Finals in St Louis ahead of all of the above...So, I guess MSU might be a trap game since it's the one game that doesn't concern me between here and Selection Sunday. Is that what you were getting at?

Re: Is Creighton University Playing Their Way Onto The Bubbl

PostPosted: February 8th, 2012, 4:05 pm
by MVCfans
Note: this was posted before the game yesterday, but ESPN had Creighton as a "lock" in their updated Bubble Watch. Here is their Wichita State synopsis as a team that "Should be in":

Wichita State [20-4 (11-2), RPI: 29, SOS: 95] Wichita State's tournament profile doesn't quite do it justice; on an adjusted, tempo-free statistical basis, the Shockers are one of the best 15 teams in the country. Their tournament résumé doesn't encapsulate all that, but it does feature a huge 19-point win over UNLV and just one loss outside the RPI top 100. The Shockers moved into a first-place tie in the Missouri Valley thanks to Creighton's last-second loss at UNI on Saturday, and two huge games -- vs. UNI, at Creighton -- are on tap this week. Should be fun.


http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bubblewatch