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Re: Best and worse thing about each Valley school:

Postby CBB_Fan » September 23rd, 2012, 8:01 pm

DoubleJayAlum wrote:
CBB_Fan wrote:Wichita State has a big advantage over the other Valley schools because of its urban nature.


:huh:



I know, Wichita State isn't the only school in an urban environment. But really was I speaking about the ease of getting money and fans. Money from the big name sponsors in the area, fans from the relatively large population. Really, the point was more of the unique situation that comes from being in a city with a population of ultra rich donors (Koch brothers, Wallaces, Beech, Cessna, etc.). Peoria, Omaha, Springfield and Evansville don't have quite that luxury, though all have populations over 100,000 to draw fans from. And having so many major aircraft companies is a boost for students looking for work experience.

And no, I don't pay major money to park right next to the stadium. I usually get to the game an hour or so early and park fairly far away. But the fact of the matter is that west of Hillside is a major area for crime:

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Re: Best and worse thing about each Valley school:

Postby DUBulldog » September 23rd, 2012, 8:14 pm

CBB_Fan wrote:
DoubleJayAlum wrote:
CBB_Fan wrote:Wichita State has a big advantage over the other Valley schools because of its urban nature.


:huh:



Peoria, Omaha, Springfield and Evansville don't have quite that luxury, though all have populations over 100,000 to draw fans from.


Actually, Omaha, Peoria, Springfield, Evansville and Des Moines all have 350,000+ in their metro areas. Omaha is considerably larger than Wichita, and Des Moines is about the same size (I'm talking metro areas, not city itself). And, I'd guess that the economy is better in Omaha and Des Moines than in Wichita.

And, I'd say that Omaha has it's share of the super rich....Warren Buffett, the Ricketts family, etc.
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Re: Best and worse thing about each Valley school:

Postby Wufan » September 23rd, 2012, 8:51 pm

CBB_FAN, while Wichita is a fantastic city, I'm afraid you are ignorant as to our brethren MVC metros.
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Re: Best and worse thing about each Valley school:

Postby pafan » September 23rd, 2012, 8:53 pm

CaseyGarrisonforPrez wrote:They are somehow above a Murray State/MSU football game. It drives me nuts. At one game last year I saw a group of three frat boys wearing Missou, Arkansas, and a Drury swimming T-Shirt and going to the Illinois State football game.


I suspect this is a problem at many Valley schools. Here in southwestern Indiana, kids like me grew up watching Bobby Knight and Gene Keady go at it on TV, and never had any idea who Jim Crews was.

The biggest problem UE has is the citizens of Evansville who don't show up.
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Re: Best and worse thing about each Valley school:

Postby CBB_Fan » September 23rd, 2012, 9:02 pm

Wufan wrote:CBB_FAN, while Wichita is a fantastic city, I'm afraid you are ignorant as to our brethren MVC metros.

Hence, this thread.
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Re: Best and worse thing about each Valley school:

Postby DoubleJayAlum » September 23rd, 2012, 9:41 pm

CBB_Fan wrote:
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CBB_Fan wrote:Wichita State has a big advantage over the other Valley schools because of its urban nature.


:huh:



I know, Wichita State isn't the only school in an urban environment. But really was I speaking about the ease of getting money and fans. Money from the big name sponsors in the area, fans from the relatively large population. Really, the point was more of the unique situation that comes from being in a city with a population of ultra rich donors (Koch brothers, Wallaces, Beech, Cessna, etc.). Peoria, Omaha, Springfield and Evansville don't have quite that luxury, though all have populations over 100,000 to draw fans from. And having so many major aircraft companies is a boost for students looking for work experience.


I can't decide if you are serious and just absolutely clueless or just trolling.

Omaha is not only bigger than Wichita, but because of the white collar nature of the economy (there are very few manufacturing plants here), it is not as subject to the effects of a recession. Based on what I've read in the Wall Street Journal and other places, the airline manufacturers are in a state of decline and laying off workers.

As to work experience, Omaha is the international headquarters for Union Pacific Railroad, Conagra (makers of most of the products on your local grocery store shelves), PayPal, Mutual of Omaha, Omaha Steaks, Gallup, First National Bank (a bank holding company that owns banks throughout the midwest), Godfather's Pizza, TD Ameritrade, Peter Kiewit & Sons, Berkshire Hathaway and many others. Regardless of a student's interest, there are plenty of options for a student looking for experience. As DuBulldog astutely pointed out, one of the richest men in the country, Warren Buffet (a/k/a, the Wizard of Wall Street), the Ricketts family (owners of the Chicago Cubs).

I'd also add that Omaha is the home of the College World Series and paid the costs to cnstruct a brand new baseball stadium for that event, for which Creighton gets to be the primary tenant. Similarly, the city constructed, at the city's expense, an NBA caliber arena that Creighton gets to use to play its home basketball games in. David Sokol, the owner of MidAmerica energy, donated a large portion of the funds to finance the new arena where Creighton's women play their VB and basketball games. Yet another well healed donor recently has offered to fund the construction of a new basketball practice facility which is currently in the design stage. A few years ago, an alum that owns a series of Casinos in Las Vegas gave the university a $20 million dollar donation. Omaha business leaders started coming together over a decade ago to privately donate money to keep Altman at Creighton. Because of all of these things, one could reasonably argue that no single MVC school benefits as much from its relationship with the surrounding city as Creighton does.

I have no doubt that WSU benefits from being located in Wichita. But for you to unequivocally state that WSU has a big advantage over the other Valley schools because of its urban nature only shows that you really don't know much about the other MVC schools or the cities in which they are located.
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Re: Best and worse thing about each Valley school:

Postby Jays26 » September 24th, 2012, 9:04 am

Omaha is not only bigger than Wichita, but because of the white collar nature of the economy (there are very few manufacturing plants here), it is not as subject to the effects of a recession. Based on what I've read in the Wall Street Journal and other places, the airline manufacturers are in a state of decline and laying off workers.

As to work experience, Omaha is the international headquarters for Union Pacific Railroad, Conagra (makers of most of the products on your local grocery store shelves), PayPal, Mutual of Omaha, Omaha Steaks, Gallup, First National Bank (a bank holding company that owns banks throughout the midwest), Godfather's Pizza, TD Ameritrade, Peter Kiewit & Sons, Berkshire Hathaway and many others. Regardless of a student's interest, there are plenty of options for a student looking for experience. As DuBulldog astutely pointed out, one of the richest men in the country, Warren Buffet (a/k/a, the Wizard of Wall Street), the Ricketts family (owners of the Chicago Cubs).

I'd also add that Omaha is the home of the College World Series and paid the costs to cnstruct a brand new baseball stadium for that event, for which Creighton gets to be the primary tenant. Similarly, the city constructed, at the city's expense, an NBA caliber arena that Creighton gets to use to play its home basketball games in. David Sokol, the owner of MidAmerica energy, donated a large portion of the funds to finance the new arena where Creighton's women play their VB and basketball games. Yet another well healed donor recently has offered to fund the construction of a new basketball practice facility which is currently in the design stage. A few years ago, an alum that owns a series of Casinos in Las Vegas gave the university a $20 million dollar donation. Omaha business leaders started coming together over a decade ago to privately donate money to keep Altman at Creighton. Because of all of these things, one could reasonably argue that no single MVC school benefits as much from its relationship with the surrounding city as Creighton does.

I have no doubt that WSU benefits from being located in Wichita. But for you to unequivocally state that WSU has a big advantage over the other Valley schools because of its urban nature only shows that you really don't know much about the other MVC schools or the cities in which they are located.


Very well said but take it easy on him. He is in way over his head trying to compare Wichita to Omaha.

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Re: Best and worse thing about each Valley school:

Postby CBB_Fan » September 24th, 2012, 10:13 am

DoubleJayAlum wrote:I can't decide if you are serious and just absolutely clueless or just trolling.

Omaha is not only bigger than Wichita, but because of the white collar nature of the economy (there are very few manufacturing plants here), it is not as subject to the effects of a recession. Based on what I've read in the Wall Street Journal and other places, the airline manufacturers are in a state of decline and laying off workers.

As to work experience, Omaha is the international headquarters for Union Pacific Railroad, Conagra (makers of most of the products on your local grocery store shelves), PayPal, Mutual of Omaha, Omaha Steaks, Gallup, First National Bank (a bank holding company that owns banks throughout the midwest), Godfather's Pizza, TD Ameritrade, Peter Kiewit & Sons, Berkshire Hathaway and many others. Regardless of a student's interest, there are plenty of options for a student looking for experience. As DuBulldog astutely pointed out, one of the richest men in the country, Warren Buffet (a/k/a, the Wizard of Wall Street), the Ricketts family (owners of the Chicago Cubs).

I'd also add that Omaha is the home of the College World Series and paid the costs to cnstruct a brand new baseball stadium for that event, for which Creighton gets to be the primary tenant. Similarly, the city constructed, at the city's expense, an NBA caliber arena that Creighton gets to use to play its home basketball games in. David Sokol, the owner of MidAmerica energy, donated a large portion of the funds to finance the new arena where Creighton's women play their VB and basketball games. Yet another well healed donor recently has offered to fund the construction of a new basketball practice facility which is currently in the design stage. A few years ago, an alum that owns a series of Casinos in Las Vegas gave the university a $20 million dollar donation. Omaha business leaders started coming together over a decade ago to privately donate money to keep Altman at Creighton. Because of all of these things, one could reasonably argue that no single MVC school benefits as much from its relationship with the surrounding city as Creighton does.

I have no doubt that WSU benefits from being located in Wichita. But for you to unequivocally state that WSU has a big advantage over the other Valley schools because of its urban nature only shows that you really don't know much about the other MVC schools or the cities in which they are located.


To be fair, I was not trying to say Wichita is better than the cities of every other school. Like a lot of Wichita State and Creighton fans, I feel like the two schools have a leg up on the other schools for a lot of the same reasons. Please, don't try to make it a Omaha vs Wichita thing, because they really offer a lot of the same advantages. There is a reason Wichita State and Creighton have the largest foundations and the most money in the Valley to spend on athletics.

However, I do believe that Wichita has some unique attributes. These don't affect basketball much, but being the capital of an industry is beneficial for students looking to go into that business. It isn't a coincidence that the largest aviation research institution (NIAR), is located on campus. It isn't a coincidence that the school has high quality engineering facilities and offers business students a lot of opportunities to get connections.

There are things that Omaha is better at, and things that Wichita excels at. An aerospace engineer probably should go to Wichita, while a student looking to study law would be better off at Creighton (especially since Wichita State doesn't more than a "Pre-Law Focus.") Still, Wichita is known as the "Air Capital of the World" for a reason, and that helps the university. I'd don't think you can argue that Wichita State's biggest benefit is anything but the connections it has with the large aviation companies and the Koch brothers, because I think the school would be remarkably different without those connections.

(Also, Wichita does host the National Baseball Congress World Series. Not incredibly notable, but it has had some famous players play, including Satchel Paige, Roger Clemons, and Mark McGuire. I believe that there are about 100 alumni of the tournament playing in the major leagues now. Also, Wichita is noted for being the birthplace of Pizza Hut and White Castle. And speaking of money, the Koch brothers are each worth $31 billion, eclipsing the combined wealth of Buffett and the Ricketts family, and corporations like Boeing are worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 billion. But again, I am not trying to make this an us vs them argument.)
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Re: Best and worse thing about each Valley school:

Postby Red » September 24th, 2012, 10:54 am

I think Normal is a lot like some other MVC cities where the plusses and the minuses are the same - small college town dominated by the university so there aren't lots of big city things, but college life is awesome.
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Re: Best and worse thing about each Valley school:

Postby DoubleJayAlum » September 24th, 2012, 11:28 am

CBB_Fan wrote:To be fair, I was not trying to say Wichita is better than the cities of every other school.

Really? Here is what you said:
CBB_Fan wrote:Wichita State has a big advantage over the other Valley schools because of its urban nature.

If you really didn't mean all of the schools, you probably should have put "some of" after the word 'over' in the above quote.... For people who know a little about the different Valley cities, your initial post didn't really make a lot sense. Even after your purported explanation, I still don't understand what point you are really trying to make. I think you meant exactly what you said, but are/were just pretty ignorant about the other cities.... You might want to consider traveling from Wichita once in a while to see what else is out there in the midwest.
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