Who challenges Wichita State next year?

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Re: Who challenges Wichita State next year?

Postby Cdizzle » April 4th, 2014, 10:30 am

PantherSigEp wrote:Sure, it's easy to lose your way out of a bid if you schedule up and lose some games that you were expected to win or don't beat those teams for a "signature win". But at least you freaking tried and attempted to prepare your team for a competitive season. Why in the world would you want to be a team who goes 25-5 but had a 200+ SOS and just sits there on Sunday scratching their heads and complaining about why the committee didn't give them a bid for beating Eastern Tennessee Christian Tech and the Carolina College for Blind Scientologists? That's not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, just a really oversimplified example.

If you won't schedule good teams, to show you can beat good teams and give yourself a fighting chance of earning a bid to the tournament, then it's pretty silly to assume you actually belong in any conversation regarding the NCAA's.

Losing all meaningful games and not playing meaningful games both won't get you in the tournament but at least with the former you helped improve the standing of the Valley and gave yourself a shot at success. But, as evidenced by a majority of the conference, it's better to have a crap schedule and kid yourself as to how mediocre you are, rather than play good competition, have middling success and then come to grips with that reality on your own. Hooray for fluff and cupcakes, right? Hooray for 11th place in the conference RPI (or lower)! :Yea!:


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Re: Who challenges Wichita State next year?

Postby Snaggletooth » April 4th, 2014, 10:38 am

agrinut wrote:
if the league wants to get better they put the scheduling mandate back in.


The reason why there is no scheduling mandate is because there is enough schools in the league who voted it down because they are content with not competing and/or expending the resources required to have a decent schedule due to travel and buying quality opponent that are not RPI killers.

Since we are talking about what really needs to do - lets be honest: What really needs to happen is to get rid of schools who are NOT willing to invest resources into their programs. If you do that, then you don't need some artificial mandate.
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Re: Who challenges Wichita State next year?

Postby Wufan » April 4th, 2014, 10:59 am

Snaggletooth wrote:Since we are talking about what really needs to do - lets be honest: What really needs to happen is to get rid of schools who are NOT willing to invest resources into their programs. If you do that, then you don't need some artificial mandate.


Agreed. We need a commitment to invest in the future of the program from all member schools.
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Re: Who challenges Wichita State next year?

Postby stl scooter » April 4th, 2014, 11:37 am

Per RealTimeRPI.com: SOS rank and Avg SOS
Wichita St. 98 0.5351
Indiana St. 123 0.5158
Missouri State 107 0.5257
Northern Iowa 97 0.5363
Illinois St. 110 0.5238
Drake 148 0.5037
Southern Ill. 140 0.5066
Evansville 126 0.5145
Bradley 191 0.4885
Loyola (IL) 209 0.4816
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Re: Who challenges Wichita State next year?

Postby Cdizzle » April 4th, 2014, 11:47 am

stl scooter wrote:Per RealTimeRPI.com: SOS rank and Avg SOS
Wichita St. 98 0.5351
Indiana St. 123 0.5158
Missouri State 107 0.5257
Northern Iowa 97 0.5363
Illinois St. 110 0.5238
Drake 148 0.5037
Southern Ill. 140 0.5066
Evansville 126 0.5145
Bradley 191 0.4885
Loyola (IL) 209 0.4816


I think you have to look at the non-con SOS to get any meaningful data. Consider that the SOS of 9 of these teams was buoyed by 2-3 games against a Top 5 RPI team.
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Re: Who challenges Wichita State next year?

Postby stl scooter » April 4th, 2014, 12:22 pm

Non Con SOS per ESPN.GO.com
WSU: 29
InSt: 225
MSU: 89
UNI: 25
IlSt: 119
DU: 185
SIU: 278
UE: 244
BU: 299
LU: 339
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Re: Who challenges Wichita State next year?

Postby Cdizzle » April 4th, 2014, 12:27 pm

stl scooter wrote:Non Con SOS per ESPN.GO.com
WSU: 29
InSt: 225
MSU: 89
UNI: 25
IlSt: 119
DU: 185
SIU: 278
UE: 244
BU: 299
LU: 339


And there you go. WSU, MSU, and UNI put together good schedules. Ill. St. put together a decent schedule for the type of rebuild they are trying. There are several embarrassing numbers on there, but probably the worst is Indiana State's given that they KNEW they had a good team that should be trying to build a at-large resume.
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Re: Who challenges Wichita State next year?

Postby PantherSigEp » April 4th, 2014, 1:23 pm

The embarrassing thing is that SIU looked like a JV squad against that non-con schedule and then played well in the Valley. Go figure. At least Loyola, Evansville and Bradley had the decency to suck in both portions of the season.
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Re: Who challenges Wichita State next year?

Postby Cdizzle » April 4th, 2014, 1:25 pm

PantherSigEp wrote:The embarrassing thing is that SIU looked like a JV squad against that non-con schedule and then played well in the Valley. Go figure.

That sort of thing doesn't bother me as much if teams are actually building something. Even if it's cyclical. I think Barry is building something.
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Re: Who challenges Wichita State next year?

Postby rlh04d » April 4th, 2014, 9:37 pm

agrinut wrote:

The bears had the 3rd highest SOS in the league last year behind only UNI & WSU if the league wants to get better they put the scheduling mandate back in.

Definitely agree on the scheduling mandate. But I'll settle for UNI and MoSt giving themselves the best possible shot at an at large bid with smart scheduling. No beat down road games against Louisville, more games against fringe top 100 teams.
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