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Sounds like this is going back to the pre-2013 rule.

Thoughts?

Somewhere, in an office complex in northeast Iowa, Lucas O'Rear just flopped for no reason what-so-ever.

unipanther99 wrote:Somewhere, in an office complex in northeast Iowa, Lucas O'Rear just flopped for no reason what-so-ever.

Nice.

uniftw wrote:Sounds like this is going back to the pre-2013 rule.

Thoughts?

Heaven forbid they put in a rule that favored offenses. Back to games in the 40s & 50s instead of in the 60s & 70s.

m-v-c wrote:

uniftw wrote:Sounds like this is going back to the pre-2013 rule.

Thoughts?

Heaven forbid they put in a rule that favored offenses. Back to games in the 40s & 50s instead of in the 60s & 70s.

You know, I keep hearing things like this yet the facts...well...they don't really back you up.

Going back to the turn of the century with this past year first (PPG nationally)
80.5
67.6
67.8
68.9
69
68.3
69.2
69.2
69
69
69.4
70.1
71.2
71.3


Yes, last season was up. However, games have pretty much always been in the upper 60s/lower 70s on average.

Teams averaging over 60 PPG has been over 300 every single year with the vast majority of years having between 315-330 schools over 60. The highest scoring team in the nation scored 88.3 ppg last season, since 2000 there were 9 seasons with teams averaging more PPG than that.

So, PPG did go up last season? Why is that?

Well...

There were 257,136 free throws shot last season compared to just 222,689 the year before. There were 4 teams over 1k free throws last season compared to just 2 over 900 the year before. That is 34,347 MORE free throws from the year before. That's a 15% increase. 15 might not sound like a lot but it really is considering for the last 12 years before that the free throw numbers were nearly identical and fell within a close standard deviation

That means there was 25,226 more free throws made this year than last. That's 25K more points based on more stops in play, more whistles, more controversy between coaches/fans/players and refs.

There were 20,038 MORE fouls called last season that the season before. Last season the team with the fewest fouls in the nation had 460. 2 years ago only 13 teams had more than 700 fouls, last season 57. 600 is 123-221. 500 is 303 to all but 6




Are we starting to see a connection here?

Just because games are higher scoring in total points doesn't mean the game is better

uniftw wrote:

m-v-c wrote:

uniftw wrote:Sounds like this is going back to the pre-2013 rule.

Thoughts?

Heaven forbid they put in a rule that favored offenses. Back to games in the 40s & 50s instead of in the 60s & 70s.

You know, I keep hearing things like this yet the facts...well...they don't really back you up.

Going back to the turn of the century with this past year first (PPG nationally)
80.5
67.6
67.8
68.9
69
68.3
69.2
69.2
69
69
69.4
70.1
71.2
71.3


Yes, last season was up. However, games have pretty much always been in the upper 60s/lower 70s on average.

Teams averaging over 60 PPG has been over 300 every single year with the vast majority of years having between 315-330 schools over 60. The highest scoring team in the nation scored 88.3 ppg last season, since 2000 there were 9 seasons with teams averaging more PPG than that.

So, PPG did go up last season? Why is that?

Well...

There were 257,136 free throws shot last season compared to just 222,689 the year before. There were 4 teams over 1k free throws last season compared to just 2 over 900 the year before. That is 34,347 MORE free throws from the year before. That's a 15% increase. 15 might not sound like a lot but it really is considering for the last 12 years before that the free throw numbers were nearly identical and fell within a close standard deviation

That means there was 25,226 more free throws made this year than last. That's 25K more points based on more stops in play, more whistles, more controversy between coaches/fans/players and refs.

There were 20,038 MORE fouls called last season that the season before. Last season the team with the fewest fouls in the nation had 460. 2 years ago only 13 teams had more than 700 fouls, last season 57. 600 is 123-221. 500 is 303 to all but 6




Are we starting to see a connection here?

Just because games are higher scoring in total points doesn't mean the game is better

block/charge rule was not why the FT attempts went up last year, so ---- CONNECTION DENIED

Snaggletooth wrote:
block/charge rule was not why the FT attempts went up last year, so ---- CONNECTION DENIED

I'm relating it to the block charge but more so to show that the scores were never as low as most think.

There were a lot more blocking calls made last year because of the emphasis on what was/wasn't a block...yes I'm including the hand check as a "block" call in this situation.


Also, you point also proves that assertion that games will go back to the 50s wrong. If that call had no impact on free throws it had basically no impact on the number of points scored per game.

uniftw wrote:I'm relating it to the block charge but more so to show that the scores were never as low as most think.

invalid logic.

There were a lot more blocking calls made last year because of the emphasis on what was/wasn't a block...yes

Where is the data on this hypothesis? I would like to see how many block calls there were relative to other years.

I'm including the hand check as a "block" call in this situation.

how convenient, did they change that rule also?

Also, you point also proves that assertion that games will go back to the 50s wrong. If that call had no impact on free throws it had basically no impact on the number of points scored per game.

Where did I make that assertion that "games will go back to the 50's"? Only assertion I made is your cause- effect is not accurate.

btw, there have been some reputable analysis out there - the rule changes (all) where only responsible for 0.1% of the increase in FT scoring. NCAA actually had a significant improvement in FT shooting Pct and was the best since 1979.

Well, at the very least we still no one thing.

Every block/charge ruling still causes arguments.

I prefer a game where the less skilled defender cannot mug the more skilled offensive player. There has been more and more physical contact allowed by defenders for the past 20 years and it has made the game lower scoring and less exciting. Last year was an improvement.