uniftw wrote:MSUDuo wrote:No, you guys seem to think that is our only goal. We've said repeatedly on that, even if it's in 50 years, to get to the top level you have to start somewhere. You think by winning at the FCS level we'd get to where we want to go? Then why didn't WKU and App State translate it into something bigger than the Sun Belt? Why isn't NDSU breaking down the doors?
It's about setting ourselves up. In reality, we should take it as a compliment that everyone seems to be looking out for us. But that is a choice we get to make. Springfield, SW MO, and Missouri in general have a lot to offer and could use a second FBS team to rally behind.
But you're right, 40-50 years ago I'm sure the PAC 8 was eyeing Utah as a member one day. We should just never try.
Dude...MSU is a dog crap program, don't let this years good start cloud what the program really is.
Since Terry Allen became your coach in 2006 you are 33-55
MSU hasn't been to the FCS playoffs since 1990
Since the last playoff appearance MSU has just 8 winning seasons, and never more than 7 wins (and5 of those winning seasons came before 2001...and both 7 win seasons in the early 90s)...these are your losing season since 1990 94, 95 97, 98, 99, 00, 02, 03, 05, 06, 08, 10, 11, 12, 13
Skipping 1990 and 1989 (the only 2 playoff appearances in MSU history) MSU has also been .500 or lower in 88, 87, 86, 82, 81...The FCS (as we know it) was formed in 1981
Western Kentucky is now a CUSA member
App State and Georgia Southern are likely CUSA members in the relatively near future.
You are closer to Texas State (seriously, look at their shitty history) than anyone else that's made the move. The Sun Belt IS their max level...period. That was/is a step up from them going from the Southland.
Why isn't NDSU knocking doors down? Well, because they are in freaking Fargo...seriously. NDSU anywhere in the lower half of South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Wyoming, Colorado, Indiana, etc... is likely FBS right now. They have a lot of money, and more support than you can dream of.
If the P12 could do it over, they wouldn't take Utah, I can promise you that. Utah, and Colorado (also Utah isn't taken without Colorado), were knee jerk movements to the lack of a move from Texas and OU. If Boise State had any sort of academic integrity they would have been the choice.
To answer the question about a SBC move for UNI, I would not support that. I, and almost every other UNI fan that supports a move at some point, have said that if we are going to move it is MAC or higher or nothing...period. We all have also said we won't move football if it negatively impacts our other sports.
What's going to happen, at some point, is the P5 take off, and the G5 and a couple FCS conferences (MVFC, Big Sky, CAA, and some select Southland/SoCon/Big South teams) will "realign" and create a "new FCS" so to speak.
Mostly agree with your assessment, especially why NDSU isn't in a real conference yet. If NDSU was closer to Des Moines than Calgary, they wouldn't be FCS and possibly a last one in to a P-5 slot. Unfortunately for them, they are in freaking no man's land and can't change it. I'm also glad to see a UNI fan state that they absolutely would not support a move to the Sun Belt. If UNI had a shot at the MAC, they should take it, but Sun Belt, that would be suicide.
Where I disagree is App State. They aren't going anywhere. Sure, they had a run a few years ago, but that's about it. They are the sixth FBS school in North Carolina. Yep, sixth. You have North Carolina, North Carolina State, Duke, Wake Forest and East Carolina all in front of them. East Carolina, deserved or not, took App State's place at anything higher than the Sun Belt. App State has a budget that fits nicely among Missouri Valley teams and is subsidized at close to 60%. They might become a Sun Belt powerhouse but they aren't going anywhere.