Wichita State Mid-Major?

[Wufan]

Mid major is a title that is assigned purely and solely based on conference affiliation.

That's your opinion, and that's fine, but it certainly isn't the concensus.

[shockem]

it's a dumb question to begin with. We all play D1 and have the same chances to win the national title. Mid-major is just a term created by media to single out smaller programs in non-bcs conferences. Who really cares anyway?

[mvcfan]

If you don't get my point, you aren't thinking too hard. It doesn't matter how good or bad WSU plays, they will always be a mid major because of their conference affiliation. You are calling yourself a major today because you are successful. If you are not successful, no one calls you a major. Teams cannot be a major one year and a mid major the next.

I agree with this completely!

Being high major or mid major has absolutely nothing to do with success. If it took success to shed the mid major tag, schools like Northwestern and Nebraska would still be called mid majors. However, as we all know, those schools are not called mid majors.

Mid major is a title that is assigned purely and solely based on conference affiliation.

uhoh Genius. The Shockers didn't make the Top 10 Mid Majors. We'll have to work hard to climb to the Panthers high level status.

http://fansided.com/2014/10/09/college- ... id-majors/

[mvcfan]

If the shockers go 15-15, is anyone saying "WSU is not mid-major"? If Northwestern goes 2-28, is anyone calling them a mid-major? Mid-major is tied to conference, not team.

The problem is the term is watered down. In no way should the MVC be compared to the Horizon if you compare money spent, support, etc.

You just contradicted yourself in your own paragraph. You bring up a fictional WSU record of 15-15 and saying if that happened, would they be mid major? And then a few sentences later, the term mid-major is tied to a conference, not team. Well, which is it? 15-15 shouldn't have anything to do with the term if you think it's only tied to a conference. See, you don't even know where you're going. And this was all out of your own keyboard. It goes all back to the point, that anybody can make up any definition they want for the term. There is no clear definition. What we've come to realize is that most Valley fans feel it's defined as a blanketed conference term, which is generalized and basically doesn't make much sense. Most national people believe it's an individual term and consider that if you breathe like a major, walk like a major, talk like a major, then you are a major, no matter who you're walking around with. WSU's success is not mid-major. WSU's finances are not mid-major. WSU's overall support is not mid-major. But because WSU plays in a league with a bunch of mid-majors, it automatically means they're a mid-major? That makes little to no sense, unless you just don't like WSU looking like they're on a different level than your team. Simple as that.

If you don't get my point, you aren't thinking too hard. It doesn't matter how good or bad WSU plays, they will always be a mid major because of their conference affiliation. You are calling yourself a major today because you are successful. If you are not successful, no one calls you a major. Teams cannot be a major one year and a mid major the next.

You are the best mid major,, and better than 95% of cbb teams. Why don't you own that instead of being insecure? Who cares what people call you if you are beating them when it counts? Winners don't need to beg for attention. You are a winner and begging for attention. It's embarrassing for you.

Uhoh. Not again. WSU didn't even make the Top 15 in this poll. We must be going downward in the polls.
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports. ... -rankings/

[Ghost]

Mid major is a title that is assigned purely and solely based on conference affiliation.

That's your opinion, and that's fine, but it certainly isn't the concensus.

Actually, I think it is. However, if you want to give me a list of schools from power conferences that are considered mid majors by the consensus, along with coresponding links, I'll listen.

[Ghost]

If you don't get my point, you aren't thinking too hard. It doesn't matter how good or bad WSU plays, they will always be a mid major because of their conference affiliation. You are calling yourself a major today because you are successful. If you are not successful, no one calls you a major. Teams cannot be a major one year and a mid major the next.

I agree with this completely!

Being high major or mid major has absolutely nothing to do with success. If it took success to shed the mid major tag, schools like Northwestern and Nebraska would still be called mid majors. However, as we all know, those schools are not called mid majors.

Mid major is a title that is assigned purely and solely based on conference affiliation.

uhoh Genius. The Shockers didn't make the Top 10 Mid Majors. We'll have to work hard to climb to the Panthers high level status.

http://fansided.com/2014/10/09/college- ... id-majors/

If you are linking fansided polls to support your argument, you've already lost.

[mvcfan]

If you are linking fansided polls to support your argument, you've already lost.

You really are a genius.
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports. ... -rankings/
Obviously, there are a number of national type of journalists/bloggers who disagree with you.

[Wufan]

Mid major is a title that is assigned purely and solely based on conference affiliation.

That's your opinion, and that's fine, but it certainly isn't the concensus.

Actually, I think it is. However, if you want to give me a list of schools from power conferences that are considered mid majors by the consensus, along with coresponding links, I'll listen.

That was never the question put forth...that a team from a power conference would be considered a mid-major. I agree that all P5 schools are considered major by association. The argument was that WSU was not considered to be a mid-major, and at least two lists from national media sites have been posted which exclude WSU from the mid-major list; therefore it's not a concensus.

[Ghost]

That was never the question put forth...that a team from a power conference would be considered a mid-major. I agree that all P5 schools are considered major by association.

I think you get all caught up in the exact wording and are not seeing the bigger picture.

Think about it a moment. As you said, "all P5 schools are considered major by association." Since that essentially means that by merely being in a P5 conference a school is major forever (or at least as long at the school stays in a P5 conference which is probably forever), the quality of the program on the basketball court is irrelevant!

Now, since all of that is true, consider the result. If one is really excited about arguing that WSU has shed the mid major tag, all it really means, since success is not part of the formula, is that they are on the same level as schools such as Northwestern, Penn State and Oregon State. Congratulations? I would argue that WSu has already surpassed those other programs despite being in a mid major league.

Major and mid major do NOT denote quality of a program, NCAA tourney success (Northwestern has never even made the dance and Nebraska has never won a game) or even attendance (there are tons of Majors with horrible attendance). That's why I think that some WSU backers who think it is really important that they not be called mid major, like the poster that started this thread (and the corresponding dumb poll with no "yes" option), really don't understand what they are even asking for.

[Championz]

Ghost is that DoubleJayAlum person. He gave it away with his "WSu" typo, which he did a lot.

That just makes this even more pathetic on all sorts of levels. Get over the Valley, dude. You're not in it anymore. Go make your mark on a Mid-Major East board.