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saluki762 wrote:

dean_siu wrote:The athletic department and the coach has not been very open regarding this matter at all. If the university hadn't of banned him from campus, I have no doubt he would still be a part of the team.

I'm not sure of the incident that facilitated this action, but I've heard two rumors. If either of them are true, he could be facing some serious legal ramifications in addition to university action. Also, if either of these stories have even an ounce of truth to them, the player should be kicked off the team immediately.

By calling it a "personal issue" and trivializing the matter, it does no one any good. If the rumors I've heard aren't true, its time to squash them. If they are true, its time to show that these type of actions will not be tolerated.

I guess I expect more from the athletic leaders at SIU....but after last season's circus, I should have known it was only the beginning.

If the rumors are true, I am sure Mario and Barry have been instructed to keep quiet by the legal department at SIU. Once the appeals process has played out, if it is still referred to as a "personal matter" you might have a point. Talking about this openly right now is not prudent. If true, it will be open season and all the info will be available. If false, no sense in ruining a young mans life. The rumor mill will be damaging enough to him anyway.

If this is a legal matter that involves the police, or even the student conduct code, nothing can legally be said publicly about it and thus all parties involved will be instructed to call it a "personal issue".

I would doubt it's some sort of massive cover up

uniftw wrote:

saluki762 wrote:

dean_siu wrote:The athletic department and the coach has not been very open regarding this matter at all. If the university hadn't of banned him from campus, I have no doubt he would still be a part of the team.

I'm not sure of the incident that facilitated this action, but I've heard two rumors. If either of them are true, he could be facing some serious legal ramifications in addition to university action. Also, if either of these stories have even an ounce of truth to them, the player should be kicked off the team immediately.

By calling it a "personal issue" and trivializing the matter, it does no one any good. If the rumors I've heard aren't true, its time to squash them. If they are true, its time to show that these type of actions will not be tolerated.

I guess I expect more from the athletic leaders at SIU....but after last season's circus, I should have known it was only the beginning.

If the rumors are true, I am sure Mario and Barry have been instructed to keep quiet by the legal department at SIU. Once the appeals process has played out, if it is still referred to as a "personal matter" you might have a point. Talking about this openly right now is not prudent. If true, it will be open season and all the info will be available. If false, no sense in ruining a young mans life. The rumor mill will be damaging enough to him anyway.

If this is a legal matter that involves the police, or even the student conduct code, nothing can legally be said publicly about it and thus all parties involved will be instructed to call it a "personal issue".

I would doubt it's some sort of massive cover up

History shows otherwise. Nick Evans was suspended indefinitely by Chris Lowery in 2010 immediately following an incident (from which he never returned). More recently, Diamond Taylor was suspended by Barry Hinson following a DUI charge but before conviction.

The program has known of these allegations for quite some time and did nothing publicly. My guess is they were only working the university to bury these charges and pretend like it didn't happen. The only reason this came out is because Tyler was expelled by the university and not allowed on campus.

I can't verify the rumors I've heard yet on what caused this discipline, but if what I've heard is only semi-true, its inexcusable for the program to act like nothing happened for an extended period of time.

I honestly think Barry and Mario should go along with Tyler for these violations .

Rehab possibly?

I think it would be inappropriate for anyone from the university to comment on details about whatever it is he did or didn't do. If there has been some sort of wrong doing, I'm sure we will hear more through a media outlet.

I'm curious on this one though because the university usually says player is suspended due to breaking team rules.

BTbird wrote:I think it would be inappropriate for anyone from the university to comment on details about whatever it is he did or didn't do. If there has been some sort of wrong doing, I'm sure we will hear more through a media outlet.

I'm curious on this one though because the university usually says player is suspended due to breaking team rules.

Well it obvious there has been some wrong doing - a university doesn't kick you out of school and say u can't apply to come back for two years. Now the question becomes what is the level of wrong doing. Evidently it ranges from cheating to being a serial killer - but since no polic charges have been filed I would assume he not a serial killer.

BTbird wrote:I think it would be inappropriate for anyone from the university to comment on details about whatever it is he did or didn't do. If there has been some sort of wrong doing, I'm sure we will hear more through a media outlet.

I'm curious on this one though because the university usually says player is suspended due to breaking team rules.

Not only is the program not saying he's suspended due to breaking team rules at this time, they let him remain a member of the program and made no statement at all til the university expelled him for two years.

You can use the old "innocent until proven guilty" defense, but I cited a couple of examples earlier where the SIU basketball program took disciplinary action before any legal proceedings were held. Furthermore, it happens on all levels (i.e. Adrian Peterson not playing in the NFL while his trial is pending).

The lack of transparency on this situation leads me to believe the program was trying to get the university to sweep this under the rug and make it disappear.

I don't think this should be done by any institution with any allegations and I'm glad the university did not do so (especially if the rumors I've heard of what he did are true).

This is going to be a huge black eye for the program and may become much bigger if my beliefs are proven to be true.

I have a feeling dean SIU would LoVE for this to be a black eye on the institution.

Wufan wrote:I have a feeling dean SIU would LoVE for this to be a black eye on the institution.

Agreed. I don't understanding the wrong-doing in letting the issue play out before passing judgment. It's not like they are trying to squeeze every last game out of the process by not suspending him.

Wufan wrote:I have a feeling dean SIU would LoVE for this to be a black eye on the institution.

I don't want any black eyes on my alma mater. What this former student did has already created one.

The lack of action by the athletic department has amplified this in my book and I want those responsible to pay a price as well as the student athlete.

When action has been taken immediately in much less severe situations, this matter was allowed to stay dormant until action was required and I want answers why this was done.

Much as the Vikings tried to bury the Adrian Peterson and only took action when fans of the team and the league demanded action, I find it unacceptable that Barry and Mario did nothing until the university expelled him from campus.

Even know, they only state "he's not practicing with the team as he deals with a personal matter". Show some seriousness instead of a flippant attitude.

Maybe some of you are underestimating what he did. I've heard two different stories and if either of them have an ounce of truth to them, maybe you will understand the seriousness of the matter and my perspective once the truth is released.

The fact that you've heard two different stories, readily admit you have no idea if there is an ounce of truth to either of them, yet want the coach or athletic department to take action beyond a suspension before the university releases its findings, is kindof the point.