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Cdizzle wrote:

uniftw wrote:

Cdizzle wrote:Agreed. We've heard this a lot over the past couple of years. By the time you're 18-2, you/re pretty close to who your record says you are. UNI is figuring out ways to win. They did it again, on the road, against a decent team. That's what Top 25 teams do.

This deep into the season you are what your record says you are.

UNI isn't a team that's built to blow anyone out - even if it's a team they should - like WSU is. That doesn't make them any less talented/good. It's just a different brand of ball

I don't know how much more WSU is built to blow teams out. But otherwise I agree, the strength of both WSU and UNI is defense and taking opponents out of their game.

Style of play. Should have included that in the wording.

UNI's style of play isn't "blow out" friendly as much as WSU's style is.

Jacobson is also notrious for taking his foot off the gas about 9 minutes too early in games.

Championz wrote:I can only imagine how deplorable Redbird fans would be if their team was ever actually good.

How about a mix of ILS and UE fans, when both schools were ranked?

Now that would some fine reading.

uniftw wrote:Style of play. Should have included that in the wording.

UNI's style of play isn't "blow out" friendly as much as WSU's style is.

Jacobson is also notrious for taking his foot off the gas about 9 minutes too early in games.

I think I understood, just not sure how much I agree. Both WSU and UNI are in the bottom 30 of KenPoms adjusted tempo. Both have 9 players averaging more than 10mpg. WSU is a little more top-heavy, though this is based on season statistics and those minutes were needed against a tougher NCSOS. I would guess the distribution of minutes is pretty similar in Valley games.

My main point is that I think at the core, both UNI and WSU are approaching winning in similar fashion. Fantastic defense. Ball security. Gameplan disruption. Pace control. Both are imposing their will on the game.

Ricardo del Rio wrote:

Championz wrote:I can only imagine how deplorable Redbird fans would be if their team was ever actually good.

How about a mix of ILS and UE fans, when both schools were ranked?

Now that would some fine reading.

The nightmare of all nightmares.

Thankfully, that only happens about once every couple of millenniums.

uniftw wrote:

Cdizzle wrote:

uniftw wrote:
Jacobson is also notrious for taking his foot off the gas about 9 minutes too early in games.

Marshall does the exact same thing. The only problem is the bench is also capable of pouring it on some teams. Can't really help that.

Championz wrote:Marshall does the exact same thing. The only problem is the bench is also capable of pouring it on some teams. Can't really help that.

UNI's bench can too - check the stats.

UNI simply stops attacking - see Evansville loss, or letting SIU cut the lead from about 20 to about 8.

That's my biggest complain with Jake. He doesn't just sub/slow down. He subs and e-brakes.

uniftw wrote:

Championz wrote:Marshall does the exact same thing. The only problem is the bench is also capable of pouring it on some teams. Can't really help that.

UNI's bench can too - check the stats.

UNI simply stops attacking - see Evansville loss, or letting SIU cut the lead from about 20 to about 8.

That's my biggest complain with Jake. He doesn't just sub/slow down. He subs and e-brakes.

Interesting. Marshall will usually go about as deep into the bench as he can, but he is trying to build depth, and he lets the youth and the walk-ons play all out. In fact, he demands it. At least until the last minute or two.

uniftw wrote:

Championz wrote:Marshall does the exact same thing. The only problem is the bench is also capable of pouring it on some teams. Can't really help that.

UNI's bench can too - check the stats.

UNI simply stops attacking - see Evansville loss, or letting SIU cut the lead from about 20 to about 8.

That's my biggest complain with Jake. He doesn't just sub/slow down. He subs and e-brakes.

That would be the only difference I can see from WSU. Marshall puts the deep bench in (including three walk-ons when they're all able to go), but even with that lineup on the floor he coaches the same way. The walk-ons never hold the ball and kill time.

Otherwise UNI and WSU have extremely similar styles of play right now, with the exception of UNI obviously relying on frontcourt play while WSU relies on the backcourt.

Good grief does this thread have legs and here I am adding to it..

Simple rule. The team with the most points wins. When time expired UNI had the most points.

I was at the game and I am impressed with UNI and they deserve the ranking they have. I think Ben Jacobsen is one of the three premier coaches in this league if not the premier coach. I told my wife after the game that I wish he was our coach. UNI fans should be proud of their team and of their coach.

jwa123 wrote:I think Ben Jacobsen is one of the three premier coaches in this league

Going way out on a limb there on the two time MVC Coach of the Year.