UAB to the MVC?

[Cdizzle]

Also, UAB just locked in Haase through 2021 to the tune of $1M/year before incentives.
http://www.myfoxal.com/story/28614144/u ... erod-haase

His total compensation this year will be $625K.

Exhibit A of what can happen when you drop a worthless football program.

Do you know for a fact or are you surmising?

I know that UAB had a worthless football program that was losing them money.
I know that UAB shut down their worthless money-sucking football program this year.
I know that they nearly doubled the salary of their basketball coach this year.
I know that they announced renovations to their basketball facilities, and the addition of a basketball practice facility.

So, I guess I surmised, but I would say I considered some facts first.

[jwa123]

Well OK - but as I see it you are looking at a certain few things in isolation and trying to connect the dots. You may very well be correct but to paraphrase Paul Harvey, there could be more to the rest of the story. As you surmise, I will surmise that there is more to this story than just stating the football program is gone. To WSU's credit it has worked very well that way but I think the UAB situation is so recent and is currently fluid to draw any hard conclusions with no more information we have at hand.

[Cdizzle]

Well OK - but as I see it you are looking at a certain few things in isolation and trying to connect the dots. You may very well be correct but to paraphrase Paul Harvey, there could be more to the rest of the story. As you surmise, I will surmise that there is more to this story than just stating the football program is gone. To WSU's credit it has worked very well that way but I think the UAB situation is so recent and is currently fluid to draw any hard conclusions with no more information we have at hand.

They were broke and going broker.

They got rid of the expense that made them broke.

They had money to spend on other stuff.

Not exactly like I took a lot of detours in my line-drawing.

[jwa123]

Whatever you say.

[rlh04d]

Also, UAB just locked in Haase through 2021 to the tune of $1M/year before incentives.
http://www.myfoxal.com/story/28614144/u ... erod-haase

His total compensation this year will be $625K.

That's interesting. I was under the impression he was holding out to see if UAB had a long-term plan for their conference affiliation.

Sounds like he's comfortable they'll be in CUSA or a similar/better conference when it's all settled.

[TheAsianSensation]

This.


It's exactly why I wouldn't mind looking at NMSU or Tulsa...but neither will happen because of football.

Ooh, I completely forgot about NMSU. Ask them how the WAC is helping their basketball program.

New Mexico St's SoS this year stands at 223.
New Mexico St's non-con SoS was 36.



Football might not stand in the way of them if push comes to shove. Because they are dying a slow, painful death in the WAC right now. NMSU/UAB would be a heck of a package deal in terms of on-court performance, but, man, that travel.

[rlh04d]

Never say never, but I don't see the AAC adding a nonfootball school for 2 main reasons:

1) the members that were formally in the Big East experienced first hand what can happen when you mix both football and nonfootball schools. They essentially lost their conference due to the whole football experiment. It seems unlikely that they will willingly go down that road again unless the point comes when they have no choice. UConn and Cincy fans are already wondering if they made a tragic mistake in playing the football gambit. UCOnns boards are littered with threads about how basketball recruiting has taken a hit since joining the AAC.

2) Some of the southern schools simply don't care about basketball - they are all football all the time. That is primarily the reason their RPIs are so miserable. If you don't care, you don't invest because you think the money is either wasted or better spent elsewhere. If you don't beleive in basketball, you won't be in favor of adding a basketball only school.

1) Not sure what that really has to do with basketball only schools. The football issue was that there was clearly upward mobility for teams with football success, and those schools were focused on upward mobility. That's not the case with basketball only schools. If there was no upward mobility for the former Big East schools, then the Big East is a rousing success and Creighton is still in the Valley. It was only the desire and opportunity for schools with football to upgrade their conference affiliation, over and over again, that caused problems.

2) The only relevant issue is money. Will adding a basketball only school increase the revenue of the current schools, through a renegotiated TV contract, increased attendance, or increased NCAA tournament shares? If so, it doesn't matter whether UCF "believes in basketball," they believe in money. If not, then it won't happen. Schools that believe in basketball aren't going to agree to decrease their per-school revenue, and schools that don't believe in basketball aren't going to reject an opportunity to increase their per-school revenue.

[rlh04d]

Football might not stand in the way of them if push comes to shove. Because they are dying a slow, painful death in the WAC right now. NMSU/UAB would be a heck of a package deal in terms of on-court performance, but, man, that travel.

A NMSU/UAB package deal is something I would absolutely support WSU staying in the Valley for. Improved basketball product and something that could be used to negotiate TV revenue.

Travel for the bus-schools would be very costly, though.

[unipanther99]

I like UNI, NDSU, and WSU to the Mountain West together.

Gets that league to 14 football member and 14 All sports members. Really evens things up for them.

Split Divisions East-West for Football and continue to play 18 basketball games. No division split for basketball

East
UNI
NDSU
UNLV
Colorado State
Air Force
Wyoming
New Mexico

West
Boise State
San Diego State
Utah State
Hawaii//WSU for basketball
San Jose State
Fresno State
Nevada

Makes WAY too much sense and would be one hell of a basketball league and definitely be the top Group of Five football league.

That's a hell of a lot of jet fuel. I think we've moved past the days of pinching every little penny, but I don't think UNI could financially justify a move like this unless it included significant TV revenue. There isn't a single bus trip on that list and football requires a big plane.

[UABlazin]

Also, UAB just locked in Haase through 2021 to the tune of $1M/year before incentives.
http://www.myfoxal.com/story/28614144/u ... erod-haase

His total compensation this year will be $625K.

That's interesting. I was under the impression he was holding out to see if UAB had a long-term plan for their conference affiliation.

Sounds like he's comfortable they'll be in CUSA or a similar/better conference when it's all settled.

Haase also mentioned an increased travel budget. I don't think it's a coincidence that a MVC link was leaked a few days ago. The administration has probably had serious conversations with several conferences.