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Postby uniftw » April 14th, 2015, 7:40 am

stl scooter wrote:Ballentine led UE in assists (#7 in the MVC).
Also, he was tops in the MVC in FT made.

He took 300 more shots than Mock, who was second in the league in FG %. In fact, he missed more shots than anyone else in the conference took.

Imagine some of those 318 misses going to Mock, who shot 58% from the floor.
Maybe Wing, who shot 53%
Maybe Simmons who shot 46^
Maybe Brown, who shot 47%
Maybe Gibson, who shot 52%
Maybe Moore, who shot 73%

In fact, the only person to have a lower shooting % than DJ that played at least 10 min per game was Brozja.


Points isn't everything when it comes to offense. Effenciency is. It's the difference between 30+ wins and an NCAA tournament appearance and 20-24 wins and a CIT berth

DJ scored 1.001 points per shot
Mock was at 1.2
That's a BIG difference over the course of a season and 300 shots.


Evansville fans get so pissy when it's pointed out there's a lot more to basketball than they realize.

DJ took over 120 more shots this season than the second most, Anthony Beane. Just because you're scoring points doesn't mean you have a good offense. He now has the 2 top more shots taken in a season in MVC history and nothing is going to change so he will have taken the top 3 single season shot totals in MVC history. He's already #11 all time, and that's with taking only 276 attempts his freshman year. He's on pace to pass Colt, currently #1, by 200-300 shots. If you consider that a good offense, when he's been bottom 3 in FG% on his own roster that entire time, then...well...that's Evansville in a nutshell with Marty
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Re: Interesting MVC metrics

Postby uniftw » April 14th, 2015, 7:54 am

Mock is top 10 in offensive efficiency in the conference since the start of the 2009 season. The only guys a head of him, you may have heard of...I can say all them them by last name and everyone will know who I'm talking about McDermott, Tuttle, Early, Echenique, Weems, Jackson.

DJ is down at 36 on that list. He is behind guys like Ethan Wragge, J.T. Durley, Andrew Warren, Mamadou Seck, Nate Buss, Will Creekmore, All good players in the own right, but...yeah. His rating is nearly identical to Ben Smith, Christian Thomas, Richard Carter, Seth Van Deast, Lucas O'Rear, Dwayne Lathan and Caleb Patterson.


The offense could be SO MUCH better than it is if a couple easy adjustments were made.
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Postby stl scooter » April 14th, 2015, 10:33 am

IMO, Mock is not a player that scores very well when he has to create his own shot. When he scores well, it is a play created by someone else (e.g: pick & roll, alley oop, catch & dunk, offensive rebs).
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Postby uniftw » April 14th, 2015, 10:43 am

stl scooter wrote:IMO, Mock is not a player that scores very well when he has to create his own shot. When he scores well, it is a play created by someone else (e.g: pick & roll, alley oop, catch & dunk, offensive rebs).

So maybe some offensive sets should be created for that....
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Postby Cdizzle » April 14th, 2015, 11:08 am

uniftw wrote:
stl scooter wrote:IMO, Mock is not a player that scores very well when he has to create his own shot. When he scores well, it is a play created by someone else (e.g: pick & roll, alley oop, catch & dunk, offensive rebs).

So maybe some offensive sets should be created for that....

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Re: Interesting MVC metrics

Postby uniftw » April 14th, 2015, 11:32 am

Cdizzle wrote:
uniftw wrote:
stl scooter wrote:IMO, Mock is not a player that scores very well when he has to create his own shot. When he scores well, it is a play created by someone else (e.g: pick & roll, alley oop, catch & dunk, offensive rebs).

So maybe some offensive sets should be created for that....

Get out of town.

Novel idea, I realize.

Maybe having the guy with one of the best offensive effency ratings in the league over the last decade, the second best shooting % (only behind an All American/league POY), etc... take more shots would be great. Rather than a guy with the 8th best shooting % on the team hoisting more than 30% of your teams shots and over 300 more than your next highest


Then again, what would UNI or WSU fans (who say the same thing) know about a winning team?
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Postby rlh04d » April 14th, 2015, 6:54 pm

stl scooter wrote:UE led the MVC in scoring and FG%, why would anyone think there is a problem with their offense?

Evansville's offensive efficiency was 114th per KenPom.

Fourth in the Valley, and barely ahead of Drake and Loyola.
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Postby UEACES80 » April 14th, 2015, 9:39 pm

Ever think that opposing teams focus so much on DJ / Colt / Jason Holsinger / Shy Ely etc that it increases the FG % of the other players by creating good looks for them. Not saying Marty is a genius but it is his team and his offense of choice.
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Re: Interesting MVC metrics

Postby glm38 » April 15th, 2015, 2:46 am

stl scooter wrote:IMO, Mock is not a player that scores very well when he has to create his own shot. When he scores well, it is a play created by someone else (e.g: pick & roll, alley oop, catch & dunk, offensive rebs).


I don't agree with that. True like a lot of big men Mock isn't a great ball handler and doesn't create off the dribble like a Tuttle. But when he gets the ball on the low block in a 1:1 situation I think he scores very well with some pretty nice post moves.
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Re: Interesting MVC metrics

Postby Cdizzle » April 15th, 2015, 8:16 am

UEACES80 wrote:Ever think that opposing teams focus so much on DJ / Colt / Jason Holsinger / Shy Ely etc that it increases the FG % of the other players by creating good looks for them. Not saying Marty is a genius but it is his team and his offense of choice.


I know I thought that. I focused on it so much that I almost didn't notice that this genius gameplan led to a 57-87 record in the league over the last 8 seasons with a best finish of a 5-way tie for 3rd.

I think at this point it's been pretty well proven that the system works. It just works in a slightly less than 50% kind of way, against marginal competition.
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