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Top 50 College Players - Baker, VanVleet

PostPosted: November 2nd, 2015, 3:56 pm
by MVCfans
Saw this today. Awesome recognition.

32. Ron Baker, senior guard, Wichita State. Baker can shoot for his fourth straight 30-win season in Wichita this year. That’s amazing. The dude is a pure shooter who can do a lot more and is just one more testament to Gregg Marshall’s ability to find diamonds in the rough. With a senior backcourt of Baker and Fred VanVleet, plus Kansas transfer Conner Frankamp coming off his redshirt and Cleveland State graduate transfer Anton Grady shoring up the frontcourt, the Shockers will once again run away with the Missouri Valley – and will be a force in March.


and at #1:

1. Fred VanVleet, senior guard, Wichita State. That’s right – a year after a freshman-dominated Duke team won it all, a senior is my top player in college basketball! There’s a little bit of legacy award-granting going on here, since in his three years, Wichita State made a Final Four, then became the first undefeated team entering the NCAA tournament in a quarter-century, then beat in-state rival Kansas on the way to the Sweet 16. If you’re not on board the VanVleet bandwagon by now then shame on you. He’s one of the better perimeter defenders in college basketball and one of the best quarterbacks from the point guard position. There’s no statistic that measures leadership, but this dude has it in spades. And he’s dropped 18 pounds in a little more than a year, cutting up and adding muscle. Wichita State ought to hover around the top 10 most of this season, and it’ll be VanVleet leading the way.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basket ... eet-110215

Re: Top 50 College Players - Baker, VanVleet

PostPosted: November 3rd, 2015, 12:29 pm
by Ricardo del Rio
Thanks.

Re: Top 50 College Players - Baker, VanVleet

PostPosted: November 4th, 2015, 1:07 pm
by GrandpaBear
VanVleet is good but is he really the best player in college basketball? I'm not sure he's the best player on his own team.

Re: Top 50 College Players - Baker, VanVleet

PostPosted: November 4th, 2015, 1:08 pm
by Cdizzle
GrandpaBear wrote:VanVleet is good but is he really the best player in college basketball? I'm not sure he's the best player on his own team.

Tough to decide on 1 player when you get up in that range. You may be right, but he should definitely be in the discussion.

Re: Top 50 College Players - Baker, VanVleet

PostPosted: November 4th, 2015, 1:23 pm
by GrandpaBear
Most of the AP All-Americans graduated or went pro, but FVV didn't make any of the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd teams last season. Some returning All-Americans who do return: Gonzaga Kyle Wiltjer, Oklahoma Buddy Hield, and Iowa State junior Georges Niang.

Re: Top 50 College Players - Baker, VanVleet

PostPosted: November 4th, 2015, 3:14 pm
by Cdizzle
GrandpaBear wrote:Most of the AP All-Americans graduated or went pro, but FVV didn't make any of the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd teams last season. Some returning All-Americans who do return: Gonzaga Kyle Wiltjer, Oklahoma Buddy Hield, and Iowa State junior Georges Niang.

Yep. You could certainly make an argument for a lot of players, though FVV has enjoyed much more success than the players you listed. It would probably be even easier to argue with why Baker is all the way down at #32, but again, there are a lot of great players.

Re: Top 50 College Players - Baker, VanVleet

PostPosted: November 4th, 2015, 3:30 pm
by Championz
GrandpaBear wrote:VanVleet is good but is he really the best player in college basketball? I'm not sure he's the best player on his own team.


Maybe, maybe not. Do you think he's a top 5 player? Top 10 player? They're all interchangeable at that point.

I think he gets the nod over Gavin Thurman and Marcus Marshall though.

Re: Top 50 College Players - Baker, VanVleet

PostPosted: November 4th, 2015, 6:37 pm
by mvcfan
GrandpaBear wrote:Most of the AP All-Americans graduated or went pro, but FVV didn't make any of the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd teams last season. Some returning All-Americans who do return: Gonzaga Kyle Wiltjer, Oklahoma Buddy Hield, and Iowa State junior Georges Niang.


Are all pro teams always right about who they draft? How often are they right? I'm not sure that Fred will be drafted in the first round, but I would bet that he will be a pro some day.

Re: Top 50 College Players - Baker, VanVleet

PostPosted: November 4th, 2015, 10:08 pm
by aceslifer
when van fleet was selected pre-season 1st team All-American last year, I posted he was the weakest selection in 30 years. Since he never made 3rd team all-American team, I suspect I was correct. Predicting again, he will not be on any all-American team at the end of the season.

Re: Top 50 College Players - Baker, VanVleet

PostPosted: November 4th, 2015, 11:09 pm
by Championz
aceslifer wrote:when van fleet was selected pre-season 1st team All-American last year, I posted he was the weakest selection in 30 years. Since he never made 3rd team all-American team, I suspect I was correct. Predicting again, he will not be on any all-American team at the end of the season.


I guess it makes the Aces look weaker and weaker as the L's continue to rack up against him.

Since you're clearly an expert in this field, let's see a list of 15 players better than Van Vleet. I'm sure this won't take long.