Who wins in St. Louis

[Stickboy46]

I've said before, that i think this WSU is better than the last couple of years even without VanVleet and Baker.

This article lists a lot of the stats that agree with that. The biggest one is the 3 pt shooting. This is a lot better 3 pt shooting team than the last few years. Each of the losses last year in the MVC were all horrible 3 pt shooting games. I see that as a lot less likely to happen this year.

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[Cdizzle]

Considering he's already turned it down once, id put my worry on a scale of 1 to 10 at about a 0.

Not only did he turn it down. It turned it down when he was making less than half of what he is making right now.

Add in that it's not a truly elite job, Maggie will be a Senior next year, His team next year will most likely be a Top 15 team ... I don't think this is the year or the opportunity for him.

If Indiana opens up though .. I'll be concerned. I think Crean gets a pass this year because of all the injuries, but that could line it up perfect for after next year.

Fair enough, I remember he passed the last time it was open. Don't know enough about his family to know that situation. I just remember WSU fans talking about one of their fears being Marshall not being able to have a shot at competing at the highest level nationally if the Valley continues to be a drag for seeding purposes. He certainly could stay in Wichita and build Gonzaga-like streaks of NCAA appearances-though I believe if he gets to 18 straight NCAA appearances he will have more than 5 Sweet Sixteens and 1 Elite Eight (he already has a Final Four to top them).

I think it all hinges on the ability to get into, and get a reasonable seed, in the NCAA tournament with regularity out of the league WSU is in. If that is possible, Marshall has demonstrated he can do quite well, even when regularly under-seeded. But if good teams start getting left out, or keep going to the play-in game, I won't be shocked to see him leave. And I won't blame him for that. I'll blame Evansville.

[uniftw]

I think it all hinges on the ability to get into, and get a reasonable seed, in the NCAA tournament with regularity out of the league WSU is in. If that is possible, Marshall has demonstrated he can do quite well, even when regularly under-seeded. But if good teams start getting left out, or keep going to the play-in game, I won't be shocked to see him leave. And I won't blame him for that. I'll blame Evansville.

G-dangit, Morty Semmunds

[moshock]

Another thing to add is that there is a definite money disparity between UNI and WSU. Yes, Marshall winning has helped in that, but WSU had a lot of money before he came and that makes a difference in where and who you can recruit. Look at UNI's roster and there are 6 players from outside Iowa and only 2 not from a neighboring state-one of those is a walk-on from Brazil who has appeared in 8 games. Contrast that to WSU that only has 3 players from Kansas and 3 more from immediate neighboring states, though Arkansas is close for Reaves.

The systems each runs fit in with the players they get/can get. I am glad that Jake hasn't tried the Lowery approach following success by trying to go out and just get the highest star rankings he can find. He continues to look for players that fit his system-though the overall talent ability is on an upward arc. Marshall plays a faster pace and looks for more 'athletic' players. He also makes them fit his system, if they don't want to play defense as well as offense, they tend to ride the pine. Marshall has a nice system where he can bring high level high school players and then supplement with jucos. Jake goes with 4/5 year players almost exclusively. Again, each system has worked for the school, and expectations, surrounding them.

Now to a different question. How nervous are WSU fans about the NC State opening, especially if the lack of strength in the Valley causes WSU to either be left out or seeded poorly in March?

Very good post !

I'm not nervous at all about NC State. I'm told that the AD is a donk. How do you fire someone mid season who has been to the NCAA's 4 out of 6 seasons ? Coach Marshall turned them down a few years ago before the Shox had done a whole lot. The future is bright at WSU. He's also the 9th highest paid coach in NCAA MBB. Most (if not all) of 1 - 8 have won a NC. I just don't see it.

[sivert]

"Less athletic players" is a result of recruiting which is part of how you judge a coach. ...

Yes, that is part of how you judge a coach. I get that. BUT - when someone on here says, "I know Jake is a good coach, so I expect UNI to play well in St.Louis, or to get going on defense more towards the end of the season," they are using "coach" to mean "trainer of the kids he's got." That's what they mean. Unless you expect new recruits during the season.

So I'm not totally opposed to your claim that "coach" and "Coach of the Year" is a combination of training and recruiting. But you have to understand that "great coach" is being appropriately used in a way that refers to training exclusive of recruiting.

[Wufan]

I don't think anyone is arguing that Jacobson isn't a good coach. He is! That wasn't the initial statement. I believe it was that he was EASILY the BEST coach. I find that to be false.

[municup14]

This is my point on who is the best coach.Jacobson is the best coach with the talent he has.
Marshall is a GREAT coach,but look at the talent he has had the last 4 years.Also look at the
Budget he has to work with in a mid major conference,Also with the cockyness of the
Shocker fans this is why the shox are probably the most hated team in the league.
But,I root for all valley teams come NCAA tournament time

[Wufan]

This is my point on who is the best coach.Jacobson is the best coach with the talent he has.
Marshall is a GREAT coach,but look at the talent he has had the last 4 years.Also look at the
Budget he has to work with in a mid major conference,Also with the cockyness of the
Shocker fans this is why the shox are probably the most hated team in the league.
But,I root for all valley teams come NCAA tournament time

Fred VanVleet was the first four star recruit Marshall ever got. Baker was no stars, Cotton was 2, Wessel was 2, Early was a D-III JUCO (but an AA), Lufile, Orukpe and Coleby were 2. Carl Hall and Nick Wiggins were 3* JUCO. Demetric Williams and Jake White were 2.5*. Malcolm Armstead was 2*. That's the 13 scholarship players that went to the final four. That's 2.2* average.

UNI has an average * rating of 2.1 this year. ISU is 2.4 this year.

Is it possible that Marshall gets more out of less?

[Stickboy46]

This is my point on who is the best coach.Jacobson is the best coach with the talent he has.
Marshall is a GREAT coach,but look at the talent he has had the last 4 years.Also look at the
Budget he has to work with in a mid major conference,Also with the cockyness of the
Shocker fans this is why the shox are probably the most hated team in the league.
But,I root for all valley teams come NCAA tournament time

This is why Shocker fans want to leave this conference. Moral victories everywhere. "We do more with less" .. well stop doing it with less.

[Aargh]

Why are we so worked up over this?
Here is how I would rank the coaches in the Missoura Vally Confrenc:

1. Greg Marshal
2. Ben Jacobsen
3. Dan Mueller
4. Gregg Lanseng
5. Barry Hinsen
6. Porter Mosur
7. Bryan Wardall
8. Marti Simmuns
9. Geoff Ruder
10. Paul Lusck

The order is not that important, however at least I spelled everyone's names right.

No, you didn't. It's Porter Mosier.