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So it sounds like there are 2 big questions.

1) Does the MVC think 11 teams is a fine model? If so, we've got our two teams, it seems. If not, that leads to a second critical question:

2) Is 10 teams or 12 teams better? The sneaky fact about this whole situation is this: Murray St and Valpo aren't going anywhere else. If the MVC can't find a 12th team they're comfortable with, do they just settle on adding just one of Murray St or Valpo? They can (probably) add the other at a later date, but they can't reverse a Milwaukee invite once it's done.

TheAsianSensation wrote:So it sounds like there are 2 big questions.

1) Does the MVC think 11 teams is a fine model? If so, we've got our two teams, it seems. If not, that leads to a second critical question:

2) Is 10 teams or 12 teams better? The sneaky fact about this whole situation is this: Murray St and Valpo aren't going anywhere else. If the MVC can't find a 12th team they're comfortable with, do they just settle on adding just one of Murray St or Valpo? They can (probably) add the other at a later date, but they can't reverse a Milwaukee invite once it's done.

The Horizon is also looking to be agressive. We take a chance at taking one and the Horizon making moves that would keep members there.

We could also take a chance at burning bridges with the one we don't take between Valpo/MSU. Especially if it's Valpo after passing them over in 2013

TheAsianSensation wrote:So it sounds like there are 2 big questions.

1) Does the MVC think 11 teams is a fine model? If so, we've got our two teams, it seems. If not, that leads to a second critical question:

2) Is 10 teams or 12 teams better? The sneaky fact about this whole situation is this: Murray St and Valpo aren't going anywhere else. If the MVC can't find a 12th team they're comfortable with, do they just settle on adding just one of Murray St or Valpo? They can (probably) add the other at a later date, but they can't reverse a Milwaukee invite once it's done.

Since the school presidents are the ones voting, I imagine the private schools don't want to be dominated by the publics. If they can't get a private school to join, I think we stay at 10 and just add Murray. If they can get Valpo (or more unlikely SLU or Belmont), I think they are more likely to go 11 or 12.

I think we'll get a nice surprise and Belmont will come along.

TheAsianSensation wrote: but they can't reverse a Milwaukee invite once it's done.

That's the most important aspect TAS. I don't think you ever want to go over 12 so the MVC better
be sure of that last add. I foresee Valpo & MuSt this year and #12 1-2 years out. Which most likely would
be Milwaukee but they aren't a must have yet so what's the rush!

ptownbraves wrote:

TheAsianSensation wrote:So it sounds like there are 2 big questions.

1) Does the MVC think 11 teams is a fine model? If so, we've got our two teams, it seems. If not, that leads to a second critical question:

2) Is 10 teams or 12 teams better? The sneaky fact about this whole situation is this: Murray St and Valpo aren't going anywhere else. If the MVC can't find a 12th team they're comfortable with, do they just settle on adding just one of Murray St or Valpo? They can (probably) add the other at a later date, but they can't reverse a Milwaukee invite once it's done.

Since the school presidents are the ones voting, I imagine the private schools don't want to be dominated by the publics. If they can't get a private school to join, I think we stay at 10 and just add Murray. If they can get Valpo (or more unlikely SLU or Belmont), I think they are more likely to go 11 or 12.

Privates were fine running at a 4-6 disadvantage, although they had a non-football Wichita making it a 5-5 football split.

A Murray/Valpo/Milwaukee or Omaha package makes it a 5-7 disadvantage for the privates, with 6 of the 7 publics playing football (Milwaukee or Omaha) creating a 6-6 split there.

A Murray only package makes it 4-6 again, but that 6th public plays football....although it's pretty obvious basketball runs that university, so it'd be status quo compared to Wichita being in.

A Valpo only makes it 5-5, clean split in public/private and football/non-football.

Murray and Valpo, with no 12th team....it's a 5-6 private/public split, and a 5-6 non-football/football split.

uniftw wrote: It sounds like the new arena at UNO is losing like 2.5-3m per year, and growing.

It is reported that last year's deficit was $1.8M and the athletic department's deficit was $1.5M. However accountants can be very clever in how they report things, so there are questions about those figures.

One hockey blogger from the Univ of Denver came up with a brilliant suggestion to stem the red ink: rent the arena to the Omaha Zoo during the winter when people want to stay inside.

"A facility rental and a percentage of gate would allow Omaha to bridge the current deficit. This plan would involve converting the main hockey arena/basketball surface from January to the end of May for animal exhibits such as hyenas, zebras, giraffes, elephants, and water buffalo. Primates would be housed in what is currently the men’s hockey locker room."

MidWestMidMajor wrote:

uniftw wrote: It sounds like the new arena at UNO is losing like 2.5-3m per year, and growing.

It is reported that last year's deficit was $1.8M and the athletic department's deficit was $1.5M. However accountants can be very clever in how they report things, so there are questions about those figures.

One hockey blogger from the Univ of Denver came up with a brilliant suggestion to stem the red ink: rent the arena to the Omaha Zoo during the winter when people want to stay inside.

"A facility rental and a percentage of gate would allow Omaha to bridge the current deficit. This plan would involve converting the main hockey arena/basketball surface from January to the end of May for animal exhibits such as hyenas, zebras, giraffes, elephants, and water buffalo. Primates would be housed in what is currently the men’s hockey locker room."

Lol classic

Sounds like they can place one large elephant in the arena and that's good enough

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:I think we'll get a nice surprise and Belmont will come along.

Are you hoping for that or have you heard something?