mvcfan2 wrote:Cdizzle wrote:mvcfan2 wrote:Not what I was saying.
Also be careful of what you wish for, see Creighton.
I think Gonzaga enjoys beating up their conference and getting in guaranteed every year.
I'm not advocating WSU leaving the league, but Creighton's 'national-level' success was pretty non-existent, and what was there was quite a bit of smoke and mirrors. The program was not built to be successful in another league, because it was built to compete with league peers, not to compete for national relevance and tournament runs. As an example of my point, consider if Creighton was still in the Valley. They would be finishing in the upper half, but they wouldn't be beating up the conference and getting in guaranteed every year as your Gonzaga example suggests.
A LOT of people saw their current post-Dougie situation coming.
Makes sense to me. I agree with you.
As long as your recruiting is on par with P5 conferences, then you would be fine. Typically, in this league, success is cyclical, however you do have a great coach that can take your team to a P5 Conference by maintaining success in recruiting.
At the end of the day, you currently have a guarantee top 1-2 in the MVC every year with a great chance at making the NCAAs. A move to something like the Big 12 against Kansas, OU, Texas, etc. would make your task much more difficult to remain relevant...even when getting 4* recruits.
3 things here.
1. No way is WSU (even if they do move) moving to the Big12. There are about a million reasons why that will never happen, and that's just off the top of my head.
2. I am not concerned about the number of stars a recruit has. This is one of the ridiculously dumb things that Creighton fans still talk about. How they are just now replacing all the 'Valley' recruits they had. That, in and of itself, explains some of what is going on. They think in terms of recruiting players to compete in a league, not nationally. They think a 'Big East' recruit is better than a 'Valley' recruit because of the name on the front of the jersey. It just doesn't work that way. Good players are good, average players are average. Most of the best players Creighton has had in the past 6 years were 'Valley' recruits. And I'd take every 'Valley' recruit currently in WSU's rotation over every single 'Big East' recruit they've ever signed.
3. WSU, unlike most B12 teams, has shown that they don't pee down their leg just because they are playing KU. We saw where those teams stacked up just a few months ago, and there was a pretty clear difference, and KU has been running rough-shod over that league for more than a decade.